CLICK TO PLAY AUDIO: "I would go a little more easily on making arms available to, let’s say, India or Vietnam. And what choice does it give the Chinese in that context? I don’t know how things will evolve. Perhaps we’ll all get more and more enmeshed in each other, and global stability will move forward and the integration of these various players on the world scene will become closer. But it might be the opposite. We may get pushed into a situation in which it becomes convenient, to say the worst, for the Chinese to think of North Korea as a useful tool in scaring us, or perhaps in doing something terribly nasty, if not to us than to some of our friends, leaving us with the option, painful option, how to react."